New Anonymous Vid

[Robert Seeberger]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Land" <dmland at gmail.com>
To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion" <brin-l at mccmedia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: New Anonymous Vid


> On Feb 5, 2008, at 3:02 AM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2/4/2008 9:04:19 PM, Doug Pensinger (brighto at zo.com) wrote:
>>> Rob wrote:
>>>
>>>> But it sure is fun to watch, and who knows, they might just get 
>>>> some
>>>> reform out of the COS. <G>
>>>
>>> You know, I'm sympathetic towards the outrage directed towards the
>>> CoS,
>>> but it makes me want to scream "Where's the !@#$!@#$ outrage about
>>> what's going on in the White House??!!??!!  Torture, suspension of
>>> habeas corpus, Illegal wiretapping, destruction of evidence, 
>>> perjury,
>>> deception via propaganda and outright lies, incompetence on a 
>>> massive
>>> scale.  To me the CoS is small potatoes compared to all that, and
>>> I know
>>> that many many people have similar sentiments.
>>>
>>> I'd suggest that maybe we're just practicing and we'll take on the
>>> despots of the Bush administration next, but we're running out of
>>> time
>>> for that.
>>>
>>> Maybe we can get them when they're out of office and can't pardon
>>> each
>>> other.
>>
>> Totally different game played by different rules and using a
>> completely
>> different strategy and tactics. Didn't you get the memo?
>
> I see that you are trying to be cute and funny, but I think that 
> Doug
> made an excellent point.
>
> America fiddles while the world burns, about sums it up. This little
> kerfuffle with Anon and CoS is certainly more substantive and 
> laudable
> than following the craziness of Britney and her ilk, but it is still
> an act of _not_ paying attention to the stuff that is killing 1000s
> upon 1000s of Iraqis, Americans, and others.

Well, I still think you and Doug and anyone who agrees with you are 
looking at it, if not wrongly, then incompletely. We only have to wait 
a matter of months and Bush is gone forever and will trouble us no 
longer. As for some hope for impeachment, it seems the time for that 
is gone. If you feel that those elected let you down, then it will 
take 6 to 8 years to replace them *all*, so you should start working 
on that soon. And I don't mean wait for someone else to do it, you 
should start now while the getting is good and people are still in the 
mood for protests and civil disobedience.

OTOH, The COS has been around for over 50 years and there are no "term 
limits" or barriers to disempower them. Waiting has no effect, so 
action of some sort has to be taken or nothing changes at all. Just 
between us, I *am* doing something and I *do* think it matters. But 
I'm not talking about it here cuz our every word is monitorable, 
knowhutimean?

(There is a listmember whose opinion here I would find invaluable, but 
for obvious reasons is not contactable by normal means. But anything 
that listmember would have to tell me would be welcome. If you don't 
understand, don't ask onlist. This is sort of sensitive and I have no 
desire to invade anyones privacy.)



>
>> Actually Read The Interwebs Maru
>
> All of them? The point of your sig seems to be "don't post to this 
> list
> unless you have read everything that I have read or I will look down 
> my
> nose at you", which does not seem to be constructive.
>
> If there was something specific on the Interwebs that you thought 
> Doug
> needed to have read before posting, a link to it, rather than a 
> snipe
> at him, might have been helpful.
>
> Actually Care About Important Things Maru

I don't doubt your sincerity nor Doug's. You guys are my friends for 
sure.
But my comment was just being humorous even if it was just a bit of 
tit for tat.

Let me quote myself from the 25th of last month:

"Right now I am angry, very angry. And to some degree I am angry with
myself for forgetting just how bad these people are.
All my life we have talked about the methods the evil people in the
world use to subjugate those with less power. And we felt more that a
bit superior because we were Americans and we didn't cotton to such
behavior.
But here we see that the evils we abhor have taken root in our own
nation and are spreading out through the world from *our* soil. It is
small wonder that the nation of Germany has set to outlaw this group.
In my opinion we should do the same."

This time next year Barack Obama will be President (probably), but on 
the societal level there will still be very bad people doing very bad 
things and Bush and Cheney will not be anywhere near the worst of the 
lot. Changes need to be made at the societal level, where it is 
determined what we will allow and what we will refuse as a people. How 
do you think these jackwads (the elected ones) got into power in the 
first place if it were not that we had let our standards lapse. If we 
let orgs like "UknowHu" continue to abuse our system, then it makes 
much greater abuses possible in the political arena............because 
we get used to it and it becomes the norm.

That is why my camera, my video camera and I are going out for a nice 
little walk next Sunday, because it may matter the Sunday after that.

Now if we can persuade the media to raise their standards we will all 
be a bit better for it. I agree that the attention paid to Brittany 
Spears is ridiculous and more than just a bit 1984ish.

xponent
In All Seriousness Maru
rob